IS it just me or does coming into work on a Monday morning significantly improve following a Liverpool win? The birds sing, the sun shines, there wasn’t even frost on my windscreen!
Now I could wax lyrical about the Reds this morning, I could add my 50 pence to post-match debate, but you will find that ‘in da club’ (is that a cool rap reference? Is it spoiled by currency conversion rates?). Instead, what I want to discuss is the topic of progression.
This is a subject I have found myself discussing increasingly in recent weeks whether it be on this site, on twitter or in the real world (imagine that!).
Whilst providing a clear cover-all definition for progression is not as impossible (or as messy) as trying to nail jelly to the wall, it is no easy task. Ultimately in our case it will be FSG that decide on what they consider progression to be, but that shouldn’t stop us discussing our own views and certainly vocalising them if we think the difference is too vast.
Now before I begin I want an early disclaimer/warning. I am of the mindset that for a club to be successful it needs stability. I don’t think Rafa should have been sacked, likewise I don’t think Kenny should have been sacked. As for Hodgson I don’t think he should have got the job at all! That is my over-riding belief and I say this pre-empting the inevitable ‘u r way up Rogers arse you nob’ comments.
On with the show as it were. It is always a grey (not 50 shades you naughty people) area when trying to compare managers or sides; for example who was better Shankly or Paisley? One built us from second division obscurity laying foundations and the other took us to the highest heights, but there would be no definitive answer as each encountered and dealt with differing circumstances.
What this example does allow for though is a constructive discussion as we are talking about completed periods of time, and in my mind this is crucial when discussing progression. What I have seen a lot of talk recently centres around our current league position and how this should be used as a barometer to gauge the progress of Rodgers.
For example, ‘we finished 8th last season and are currently 10th, where is the progression?’ In my mind this is a flawed concept from the start as by 2013 if results favoured us we could be 3rd, likewise on the flip side we could drop further down the table. How can a constructive critique be formed when the subject matter could fluctuate so much? A microscopic view of this can be taken off Twitter at half-time on Sunday. The consensus appeared to be as if Liverpool had been relegated to the conference and children of under 3 could perform better.
As the game progressed the introduction of Messrs Cole and Henderson added to the withdrawal of Lucas added to the hysteria, yet come the final whistle the game had been turned around to 3 points with the aforementioned players having star roles. Once the game was finished, the performance and result can be judged, but at half-time?
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Where is this leading you may well ask whilst smashing your head against the wall? Well, in light of criticism being sent Rodgers way we need to make an assessment of progress. To me, the most sensible way to assess progress is to compare to a period of time directly before. It would ridiculous to slate Rodgers for our current position in comparison to the Rafa’s season when we finished second, just as it is ridiculous to compare to our league finish last season which was a result of 38 games and not 16. Therefore in my mind, as Rodgers has been in charge for 16 league games we need to look at the previous 16 league games first and foremost.
So, Rodgers has had 16 league games in which he has won 5, drawn 7 and lost 4 amassing 22 points, scoring 22 and conceding 20. The previous 16 games, under Dalglish we won 5, drew twice and lost 9 times amassing 17 points, scoring 22 and conceding 19. Drawing a very simple analysis would show that in points alone we have begun to move forward and have lost less games despite conceding one more goal. Progress?
Obviously analysis needs to be deeper. Arguments can be made that the games towards the end of last season became meaningless as in the league we had nothing to fight for, but then Rodgers has not been able to call upon the experience of players such as Kuyt, Maxi, or Bellamy. Also focus could turn to the pitch and arguments can be made regarding our confidence and solidity; the nightmare-inducing collapse at Loftus Road still fresh in the mind can be laid somewhat to rest with the response at the Boleyn on Sunday for example.
Obviously I could whittle on (I normally do!) but what I wanted to do was to spark some debate and get an impression of how fellow Reds, and even fans from other clubs assess progress. My thoughts, for what it is worth, is that the large tanker that is Liverpool Football Club is being turned around. Rodgers took over a club in relegation form, confidence freefall and just lost a legend, plus has overseen a rapid overturn in experienced playing staff. This must be viewed as the starting point for me.
For whatever reason we were a wounded club and unfortunately wounds take time to heal. This past 16 games then needs to be compared against the results in the next 16 games. Please get involved and let me know your opinions whether you agree or disagree and how you think progress should be judged. Second disclaimer, I’m not up Rodgers’ bum, or FSG’s bum, or paid by the club, or in fact a Nazi, before some start!
Please come find me on twitter @timdibs
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Progress?
there has been none … so far . actually we look way behind last seasons team
You don’t know what you are talking about. Get a clue
I agree tommo , we are worse off than last year . Rodgers signings are worse than what we had , and he left the squad very very short
delusional is anyone who thinks we have improved
Ritchie, why are we worse off than last year?
Do you blame Rodgers for the small squad? surely that should be placed at the door of FSG no?
Simon, why havent we improved?
Sterling now touted as the next bug thing, Suarez, Enrique Johnson in the form of their Liverpool careers, suso emerging as a quality young talent…. Etc etc. To say no progress has been made ignores the reality of what’s happened.
The flip side to that is that Gerard has been average this year. Whilst allen started well, his form has gone backward. Borini showed little in his first 6 weeks but ffs it’s 6 weeks of football at a new club.
I’m not pretending we r world beaters but all you can have in this situation is hope. I’m 100% certain that he’s a better option than Kenny. Whether he proves to be the right man can only be judged in time.
Take a breath. Enjoy the good times. Support the club and have faith. Otherwise go and live in the desert until Rogers is no longer a red because like it or not, he’s not going anywhere soon.
there is no good times with Rodgers you delusional fool
I do think BR is running on some serious luck. He made some very poor decisions against WestHam but still miraculously we came out victorious. Downing should have never been on the field, i’d rather have seen Suso given a chance, Allen is getting an Alarmingly higher rate of minutes than he deserves and taking off Lucas rather than his little pet, luckily did not come back to haunt him.
And of course when Cole was thrown in, i almost smashed my TV(if not for my G.F) But anyways im not gonna hop into that Wagon, Even though the manager’s not done anything brilliant as of now, if results do come,we have to back him.
Very true , he has been lucky , also with Suarez staying fit and his hot scoring streak has saved Rodgers from serious humiliation
thats a very blinkered view Niall. You could flip this around and ask why is Suarez having a hot streak? playing to his strengths?
Would you claim Fergie was a lucky manager as if they didnt have RVP on form they would be 15th! such a silly argument
how can they be poor decisions if those decisions ended up being key in the victory? puzzled. Did I want Cole on for Enrique? no. But having seen the whole game and know what happens his decision was vindicated no?
Did I want lucas off for henderson? not really, I think the absence of Lucas has been the biggest factor in our shocking form, yet it was the tempo Hendo brought and his delivery that resulted in the 3rd goal.
If you are going to bash the manager there are ways to do so but lets take the blinkers off and actually give credit where it is due
You should know this by now Tim. According to these imobciles, when he makes moves that positively influence the game and result in us winning it’s luck. Everything else is BR’s fault.
Nobody’s saying it’s perfect right now (as it hasn’t been for the last 20 years). Thankfully the majority out there understand that it takes more than 3 weeks to turn a rabble (as we were last year) into a contender.
Firstly , Progress – is better than last season , which means top 6 and do superbly in 2 cup competitions , anything less is NOT progress
Secondly , you talk some sh!te , ive seen some of your other articles and you talk out of your ar$e . “if results favoured us we could be 3rd” why even mention “ifs” , its dumb .
Rodgers took over a high quality squad with with world class players who came close to winning a fantastic cup double .
really – if you have nothing relevant to say then dont bother
i must say that rogers make our team better.
dalglish spent 150 mil and get six players and only one of them live upon his price and that one is suarez . all the rest are rubbish. brendan got players of 25 mil and bought 3 players that can play in liverpool for sure.(allen (superb so far, asssaidi has pottential and borini the same)
also sterling and suso with rodgers in charge can be great players
finally i have to say that gerrard is not the player we know .
Rodgers has wasted 30 on utter rubbish , none of his signings are even average . he is also lucky to have an excellent crop of kids to call on , and Gerrard is not his best cos the idiot manager doesnt play him where he is best
So according to you, Downing>Borini and Adam>Allen? Do you even watch football? The calculas is simple. We cant judge Rodgers in 1 season. If plastics like Tommo and Ritchie start calling for manager’s head then we have become as pathetic as Chelsea fans. Dalglish is a legend but his 2nd term was a disaster! 100mn on 6 useless players set us back by 2 years. It resulted in owners being stingy and hence lack of progression while Rodgers has taken over and done a fantastic job with what he’s got. We had to thin the squad and get rid of crap players to reduce wage cap. Borini and Sahin still hasnt been impressive but are young and has potential. But Allen and Assaidi have been quite impressive. He also has used Europa to slowly blood in youngsters. League and FA cup wont be important simply because league is the priority. Rodger’s is also much mre tactically aware and prudent than Dalglish which is clearly shown by his in-game management. Lastly, we are 4 points away from CL spot with a run of favourable fixtures in hand and the team is also filled with confidence after 3 consecutive victories. I dunno why toddlers like Tommo and Ritchie are still crying!
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spot on richie , Rodgers mis use of Gerrard is one of the main reasons why we are so poor
A high quality squad indeed…which barely won any game in 2012…..which crashed from challenging the top 4 spot in 2011 to 8th losing to teams like Wigan at Anfield…..Indeed we had a world class winger who delivered the same number of PL assists and goals for the Reds as me ie 0. Its a shite thing to say. Rodgers has achieved whatever he could with a thinner squad because our experienced players left due to lack of playing time in the previous season…..And I do see progress…the football has been better….out of form players coaxed back in to form…And I know a lot of Anfield faithful who are willing to give Rodgers time.
Really- if you have nothing sensible to say then dont bother
The football has been very boring and the team is worse off , Allen , Borini and Sahin have been a disaster , Rodgers should have done way better with lots of class players
how is the team worse off? if you are going to make such statements Niall at least explain why you think they are true
Im glad you enjoyed it Tommo, and good to see that you have fully read and understood the piece, your last sentence is particularly apt.
Why do I mention ‘ifs’? as I explained (you may have missed this)is that with more than half the season remaining anything can happen, so anyone screaming that Rodgers should be sacked because we are in 10th really needs a good long look in the mirror.
We had decent cup runs in 2 competitions last year, and this year we are still in 2, and a top 6 finish is more than a possibility. On what evidence do you think it is not?
Is it not relevant to look at the club when Rodgers took over? his starting position was very different from the season before in a negative aspect yet he is expected to do even better? there was always going to be teething problems
excuses ?
whats an excuse simon? you have regressed from 1 sentence to 1 word replies!
the question is was the club starting the 2012/13 season in the same place as it was in the 2011/12 season?
Yesterday was typical – one non pen given – one 100% pen not given – one sending off not given, all 3 decisions going against Liverpool. Refs hate us, conspire agaist us – if anyone can explain it any other way I will be happyto hear it, it has cost us a top 4 place if not top 3.
yeah i will . your just being a biased fool . stop crying and open your eyes . all we hear is excuses
yeah no more excuses guys , its all a bit pathetic
Give it up mate u can’t blame penalties not given for our league position very biased assessment.
typical liverpool baby , crying and giving excuses
typical 1 sentence simon response! come up wih something a bit more creative dude
sometimes the comment is just not worth more than 1 sentence reply
Kenny had 18 months and cash to spend (or to waste as it turned out as we actually got worse after his spending spree). Until BR has had the same amount of time and money it’s not a fair comparison.
He should be given at least two seasons no matter what. If we’re still no better than 8th after two full seasons you can moan. The league is the only way to measure how good we are. Cup runs are fun, but in no way shows how good you are. Cardiff are not the second best team in the country.
I can only assume the moaners don’t actually watch the games.
The dominance we showed in the first half against Southampton was very encouraging. Probably our best half of football since 08/09. We also played well at the Lane, our bogey ground, for the first time since 08/09 (when we also played them off the park and unfairly lost). We need someone else (apart from Luis) to regularly stick the ball in the net to turn dominance into points though.
Mostly we need a good transfer window or three. We’ve had one horror show after another in the transfer market for years now (with a few individual exceptions like Suarez).
2 years of this boring rubbish ? What are you trying to do ? destroy Liverpool totally ?
ps .lol about the dominance we showed v southampton at home in 1 half , like wow we dominated southampton for a half , give rodgers a pay rise for that
It is boring watching Rodgers type of football . We need entertain more and whinge about bad luck etc less
I can only assume the biased fools who imagine Rodgers is a good manager dont actually watch the games .
progress would be to sack the dips#it in charge now , and get top pro to manage the team
What top manager would want to come here at the state we are in?
rafa ?
How long would you give him if he came back? how long did it take Rafa to challenge in the league? To establish your identity on a team it takes time. I imagine anyone calling for Rodgers head now would have done exactly the same about Rafa in his first year.
Yeah right good answer, not!
hahaha progressive! who would you bring in then lad? how long would you give them until you started moaning?
no , Rodgers is a incompetent fool , rafa a proven top class manager . easily give rafa 2 yrs
please explain why you think Rodgers is ‘a incompetent fool’.
Im not denying that Rafa is top class, I would have gladly welcomed him back as I never wanted him to go, but he would have needed time. Rafa isnt here, Rodgers is, purely on points and games lost Rodgers 16 league games in charge have been an improvement on the last no?
we are Liverpool , anything less than 4th is not a good season ,and with the clowns Rodgers has wasted our money on its unlikely
The idiot who said Allen and Assaidi are impressive made me laugh out loud , he obviously has no clue about football , they are two of the worst players ever to play for us , all 4 Rodgers main signings are a waste and i wouldn’t trust him in january with our money
‘Allen and Assaidi are two of the worst players ever to play for us’!!!??? What age are you? 9? Stewart, Piechnik, Kozma, Dundee, Josemi, Konchesky, Dicks. Cop on, Clown!!
i think Allen should be with that group , its embarrassing how little he contributes offensively or defensively , reminds me of kozma
behave yourself Niall
I havent seen much worse than Allen -certainly biggest waste of 15m ever
Really Andy? reeeeeeeally? says more about you does that
I thought Allen started well but over time he has progressively gotten worse, I don’t see why Rodgers spent $15m on him, can anyone tell me why?
Allen was playing in an unpreferred deeper role in Lucas absence. Give him time to become accustomed to his advanced role again.
Allen is worst player to wear Liverpool shirt in ages , pure waste of money
really babyface? is he really??? if you dont like him its up to you but think about your comments first
that made me laugh too . people are so dumb or just biased ! its funny really
in an ideal world, anything less than a significant title challenge is a poor season for Liverpool. Is this an ideal world? when Rodgers took over, scratch that, when Kenny took over was the club in any position to make such a challenge? no. People need to get real here the club has been through the ringer in recent years and has taken hit after hit after hit. Do people expect fingers to be snapped and instantly everything is ok again? get real
things could be ok again , with a decent manager
at least give your reasons as to why you simply dislike Rodgers
What decent manager would come here? Rodgers is here mate so deal with it and support him.
Ritchie and Tommo are fools. One of them mentioned Rodgers spent 30m, he didn’t, he spent £20.5m which is peanuts on 3 players. Daglish wasted £114m on Carroll , Adam, Downing, Coates, Henderson, Enrique, Suarez. Only Suarez has come good. Fact is LFC are 4 points off 4th with some nice fixtures coming along, the transfer window and some good form. Now f**k off Haterz
Top comment Dan!! Only thing is I would consider Enrique to be a success as well. No?
you have just shown YOURSELF to be a fool , not only are you ignorant of football, but you cant count
Allen ( useless ) 15m
Borini 10.5m
Yesil 1m
Assaidi ( totally useless ) 3m
plus whatever we paid madrid for sahins loan , usually about 1-3 m
erm … add it up you dumb muppet
It shows the intelligence and knowledge of a Rodgers idiotic supporter
You know Dan has a good point and you don’t have any argument that’s why you start slating him on mathematics. All Rodgers acquisitions have time on their side, you were most probably one of those fans that boooooed Lucas when he just started. As a true fan I trust the structures and foundations being laid. I’d rather pay 3m for Assaidi than ~20m for Downing and I’d rathger have a youngster who can be taught and molded than a Downing in the twilight of his playing career.
talkin sh*t mate ,all 30+ m wasted on duds . Assaidi not even fit to wipe Downings ass , and Downings not even good
Well said Dan 🙂
LOL stop commenting to your own comments Dan … a bit sad , no ?
you would know about that simon wouldnt you
erm .. no i wouldn’t , i seem to recall you doing it a while back
haha of course I did, exactly something I am likely to do (that is sarcasm by the way), I make my points in the pieces I write, designed to hopefully stimulate debate between those of differing opinions. It matters not whether you agree or disagree with me, I dont need an ego boost or get off in putting people down, I have a genuine interest in other peoples opinions when they can be bothered to share and explain
Hell for u all
Excellent question Tim, but progress can only be judged at the end of the season. If it has to be done now though, it can only be judged as you’ve done it. I certainly think progress is being made, but performances recently have been really poor.
is it surprising that performances drop off when the squad is as thin as it is? Whilst not at our best throughout a lot of Sunday granted we have come away with 3 points! would that have happened last season? i dont think so. and lets not forget Suarez was absent.
excuses excuses
do you actually read anything Simon? how was that point an excuse? what exactly was i excusing? yawn
progress means improvement . so simple as this . 6th or higher with a trophy is a improvement , and so far its 10th and out of 1 cup already … its not going to happen with this manager , he is so far out of his depth ,he is drowning
first off simon why not for once explain why you think he is out of his depth and drowning?
secondly, do you think Rodgers start at the club was in similar circumstances to Kennys build up to last season? if you can honestly answer yes then 6th and a trophy is improvement no doubt.If Kenny was still in charge then this would also be an improvement
Realistically the answer is no. Rodgers took over a club with no form, shot confidence, rocking from a controversial sacking of a legend, 4 senior experienced pros then left the club and having to work with players he didnt rate. much different circumstances no? to judge him after 16 games is pathetic, moreso when those 16 games are considerably better than the previous 16. Surey you can only turly judge on a finite period?
30m wasted on rubbish , slagging off and alienating certain players in public , letting players go without replacing them , consistently playing players out of position , having no idea how to change a game thats not hoing well , boring the pants off us with negative sideways football , being a bulls#itter in interviews , potentially fking up the signing of our best youth by insulting him in public , consistant faith in the welsh wimp in midfield ….
i could go , my fingers are tired ,
i could go on – i meant
i dont think your finger are tired, i think they are appalled! seen as you have started to express an opinion that is in a reply longer than a haiku i shall respond to each:
1. 30m on rubbish – nice that you judge players so quickly. did you do the same with lucas?
2. slagging off and alienatin players – jeeez dude, its management it happens. Some players respond to a cuddle some respond to a slating, some of the most successful managers in history employ this tactic.
3. letting players go without replacing them? you blame Rodgers for this? Surely this must lie at FSG’s door? come on
4. playing players out of position – because this is something the man you lord, Rafa, never did. We have a limited squad, players that can be deployed in several positions are beneficial for teams. Did Enrique not rediscover his est form after a stint on the wing? why do you think the likes of Downing and Henderson have been tried at full back? as an offensive threat? try to think reasoning before slagging off
5. no idea to change a game? Did his changes win the game against west ham? yes. when he removed suso in the first half against wigan did that change the game? changes against chelsea? come on, tak the blinkers off for a while.
6. that was a boring match on sunday wsnt it. the idea of possession football is no a million miles away from the pass and move style of our glory days. it is football employed by the likes of dortmund and barca, are they boring? he is imposing a new style, his own philosophy at the club like any manager, this rarely clicks in place overnight.
7. who isnt? football is more than 90 minutes, its a psychological game.
8. do you not think it is positioning? all part of the negotiations, happens all the time.
9. allen ahs really let the club down hasnt he! sheesh
Simon ur coming up with crap all the time watch the games mate. Well said Tim.
We were progressing under Kenny last season until the wheels came off in the new year! Rodgers will win more then 3 games come May and we will be fourth!!!!!!
Now you are just being stupid tim , your comment at 10.41 contains 2 excuses as why performances have dropped off in your words , although there wasnt anything to drop off from
You said , cos the squad is thin , and suarez was absent – 2 excuses there . cant talk to u , you just lie and bulls#it all the time
how old are you simon? calling me a liar? wow! to be fair better than some of the names I have been called on here.
its not an excuse to say the squad being thin will effect performance, thats surely fact no?? and again by saying that what am I excusing?
the suarez comment was actually complimenting the team. the team performed well got a well deserved, well fought 3 points all without Suarez. How is that an excuse!
and hey, I cant be a liar, I just checked my pants and they are not on fire!
Dont bother Simon ,he is a fool
your 11.34 post …. all i can say is your full of sh!t , you dont deserve to be a liverpool fan with the crap you come out with
hahahahaahaha exactly the type of response I expect from you simon. you twoddle off one liners providing no substance to your opinion and when challenged you revert to type.
No clearly I am not deserving to be a Liverpool fan. well done you
ive given my reasons , write them down if you like , ill not repeat them again . so from now on short replies are all you will get cos your not worth the time
you make me chuckle simon, rather than enter into a discussion over the points you have raised you retreat back under the bridge. Having different opinions isnt unusual or wrong. You made 9 points by my reckoning of which I disagreed with all and provided reasoning. if you disagree with what I say fight your corner, make your case
Ive been laughing my face off at some of these ridiculous comments . The whole article is stupid as everyone can see that no progress has or will be made under BR
I cant believe any idiots actually find these stupid articles based on some fools silly opinions interesting
BR is record so far is indefensible ,you just look like a childish biased fool by defending him
ill second that
Come on then Jack, why do you think no progress has been made? what are your reasons? how is he indefensible?
a fool I might be but what does that say about you commenting on a piece you consider ‘stupid’?
What a tosser this ‘writer’ is . he knows fk all
hahahahahahahahahaha well said you! you know me very well, been talking to my wife?
I’ll make up my mind at the end of the season thank you… We’re playing a new style, with a few youngsters who will only get better. we have 3 relatively easy games coming up which should yield 9 points, leaving us in a way better position as this time last season (provided we win them)
I’ll be the eternal optimist that i am and back my manager, believe in the players and support my club… the players are starting to show belief and i think its time for SOME of the “supporters” to do the same
The players are showing no ‘belief’ . in fact judging by Gerrards lack of interest , some of them look like they cant wait for the idiot to be sacked , Sterling too
oooh look , another piece by Tim turns into the ‘i love Rodgers’ article , shame sh*t every week , itz boring , you say the same crap every article and the same comments ,yawn
fk off Tim ,your an idiot
English isnt your strong point there is it Vickers!
Heaven forbid one of these days you actually provide your reasoning as to why you disagree
Never ceases to amaze me the comments you see so called fans coming out with, I wonder if some of them even go to the game. We’re all entitled to our opinions but god there are some idiots……..! Any way, rant over, I think its a little early to tell yet on progress, we may never really know who screwed up in the transfer window (although I think we do):……..don’t think the signings BR made are worse, not impressed by a couple but remember what we all thought of Lucas when he joined……..What I do think is better is the tactics, Kenny is my hero I worshiped him when I was a kid and always will…..but for me he had no plan B, sadly I felt plan A was ropey sometimes!…..at least under BR he’s not afraid to make changes, at any stage of the game, with our very threadbare squad, to try and make changes………how many times under KD were you stood at the match screaming for him to make a sub, then he brings Carroll on with 5 mins to go…..So in summary, I think I’ve just talked myself into that we have made some slight progress but January is going to be pivotal. It takes time to change but do we have that luxury.
absolute rubbish . have u ever even watched football ? anyone who thinks progress has been made is just dumb , Go actually watch some footbll rather than pretending u have
stop trolling babyface. actually read what Gil has said, she has given her opinion and supported it, taking time to put her point across. you cant even be bothered to write ‘you’ in full.
Not that I should have to justify myself to you but for the record I’ve missed only 1 home game in about 6+ years and I go to most away games, so I think I see enough to form an opinion!
no need to justify yourself to anyone Gil. Regardless of if anyone goes to the game or not they are entitled to an opinion on the team they love. Just check out the other comments from ‘babyface’, not very constructive to say the least, but then constructive is probably too long a word!
Thank god there are some people on here with some perspective. Did anybody actually think that we we would be challenging this season or that with a limited budget every player we signed would turn out to be a Lionel Messi clone. Progress takes time you can’t just nip down the shops and buy two when you fancy. The idiots on here who are having a go at Rogers do not live in reality they think that the Premier league is like playing FIFA 13 (Other football based games are available). Wake up and smell the f@&*ing coffee for god sakes, We have employed a young manager who will make mistakes and has far less money to spend than those we are trying to compete with. It will be a bumpy road there will be ups and there will be downs but the principles Rogers has are the right ones and I believe that he will, given the support ( All idiots see Oxford English dictionary for meaning), get it right. The only problem is that the idiots might whine an moan so much he ends up getting him the sack.
Agree with you there!
Agreed
Thanks for the comment Gil, its such a refreshing change for someone to read the article, process it, and then present their own opinion. I completely agree with you that January will be pivotal, and as for time, I think Rodgers has this season to lay his foundations and next season to make an assault. In years gone by new managers were afforded a rebuilding stage but in the money driven CL demanding new ‘soccer’ age this wont happen
Tim fk off ,you are the troll on this site , always repeating yourself and just spouting bull$hit
Same with you babyface same old crap from ur mouth, BR ain’t going anywhere soon so get used to it.
Im trolling my own article? hmmmmmm ok then.
I realise I often repeat myself as I continually respond to people like you Babyface who log on and leave 1 sentence responces either slagging someone off or criticising. Why dont you offer your own opinion and support it with what you think? or does it become a struggle if the sentences get too long?
This is the worst Liverpool side i have ever seen in 40 years , i have heard lots of excuses on this site , but they count for nothing , at every club fans can give excuses for not being where they think they should be
Fact is , we are very average now and that is only the managers fault . A biased fan will always imagine a better situation than is real . There are too many closed minded fans here who see what they want to see
Mac, that is one of the worst replies I have seen in 31 years! 😉
here is a crazy idea, why dont you support your point, here are some starter questions if you need help:
1. We are now average – why?
2. Which manager is at fault? (you dont specify) and why?
And ur a closed minded fan urself. It’s too early to say progress has been made a real fan of this club would give him more time.
Its not to early , you can see no progress has been made , if you cant then you are stupid
enlighten us all Niall, how has no progress been made?