AS sad as an omission of it is, I often enjoy reading through comments left on my pieces, agreeing with some, disagreeing with others, chuckling to myself about the trolling attempts and, where possible, entering into discussion about one of the passions of my life (although if anyone wants to talk embroidery or early Pottery Styles of the ancient Egyptians then feel free).
It was reading through comments on my last article ‘Goldfish Syndrome’ and the following quote from a comment that got me thinking:
‘It’s unbelievably naive to think that a [sic] unproven manager without any history of success will be successful.’
This really got my juices flowing and wondering whether this statement carries some logic or not. Let’s see both sides:
#showmethemedals
There will be a stage in every manager’s career where they are unproven and without that background of success – but success in itself is relevant.
If you look down the road at Alex Ferguson you can see the career progression from St Mirren to Aberdeen to United, having success relative to each club. You can argue that success at St Mirren earned him a chance at Aberdeen and success at the Dons earned him the opportunity at United, effectively using that well known saying ‘paying his dues’.
Undoubtedly a quality young manager with huge potential, but realistically would a move from St Mirren to United have been feasible? Accepted by the fans? Probably not. When you are looking at the upper echelon of clubs, there has to be that experience, that C.V.
Similarly Arsene Wenger saw success at both AS Monaco and Grampus Eight before earning his shot at Arsenal.
Whilst reality must bite for the modern-day Liverpool fan, it should not be forgotten the size and the history of the club along with the global appeal of the ‘brand’ (I felt dirty saying that, and not the good type of dirty). Would Liverpool have even considered Benitez whilst he was at Tenerife?
Personally I doubt any serious consideration would have been given. It took his tremendous success at Valencia to enter the fray. As a club, Liverpool have to be looking towards a manager who has taken the appropriate steps in their career before being awarded the Anfield hot seat. The appointment needs to be justified through previous success, through previous evidence of silverware, this club is not a stepping stone for anyone, it should be the pinnacle of a manager’s career.
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#pastispast
This kind of statement and attitude is the epitome of what is wrong with modern football. Everything has to be instantaneous and a known name. Look at the problems at England U21 level. How has Stuart Pearce got the job other than his ‘name’, similarly with the man linked to succeed him, Southgate? Football needs to evolve and the talent available in managing and coaching should not be linked at all to a playing career.
Wenger, Mourinho and Benitez did nothing, playing wise, but look at what they have achieved.
Previous success at a playing or coaching level can often mean nothing. Shevchenko was the best forward in the world at Milan but awful at Chelsea. Scolari is a World Cup winner but struggled at Chelsea, Hodgson managed the third best international side in the world…(sorry I couldn’t bring myself to finish that one sensibly).
If we look deeper, at possibly the managerial flavour of the moment, Jurgen Klopp, and assess his track record prior to Dortmund. At Mainz, the success he achieved was no great shakes in the grand scheme of things, but for Mainz it was good – but good enough to be considered for a job like Dortmund? Especially following a relegation and failed promotion attempt?
Rather than simply dismiss the man on the basis he wasn’t a league or cup winner for example, he was awarded the opportunity based on his talent, and through an initial period of patience hasn’t that worked out well! Looking internally, what had Shankly achieved prior to Liverpool? What managerial success did Paisley, Fagan or Dalglish have prior to taking the helm?
Where do I stand (I know you have been awaiting this bit)? Whilst I don’t fall firmly in either camp, I do have a very heavy lean towards the #behave argument.
I firmly agree that Liverpool should not be a stepping stone for anyone, be it player or manager, but certainly cannot act as a wet nurse either. A glittering CV is always a pleasant thing to look at, but to judge a person merely on this is, for me, naïve and potentially very expensive. Any prospective incoming to the club, playing or not, needs to be fully assessed as to ability, personality, temperament and so on to make sure they are the right fit.
Does Rodgers lack of trophy success worry me? Not at all. I am particularly encouraged by his motivation, drive and dedication. Giving up the playing dream early because you know you will not make it would have been a bitter pill to swallow, but taking yourself round Europe to learn and watch the best and to develop your own style impresses me.
Yes, Watford and Reading didn’t go well (who has an unblemished record?) but the work he did at Swansea impressed. To date I think he has done well in trying circumstances, certainly well enough after his first year to be allowed more.
Where do you stand? Do you need the medals or do you look firmly forward? Leave a comment, let me know, come find me on Twitter @timdibs
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You don’t half talk a load of nonsense.
Considering I wrote from 2 perspectives that’s not an insightful critique! 😉
Well said tim gr8 words will re-tweet that x
Hi tim, I don’t have the time or knowledge to write a long reply, the top teams in the prem are going through change, except arsenal. We are a year ahead of the others in this respect, we now have stability, Brendan has a vision as do the owners, they are recruiting top people in the important jobs, they know what they are doing, while every liverpool supporter is sick at loosing out to utd ( ferguson has knocked us of our perch) the old ways are history, there is a new dawning, and we will be leading the way! We are professionals in every department now, hope I am still around when we are the best again, keep the faith liverpool fans Brendan is the future!
Thanks Terry, interesting you should mention the year ahead, have a read of this (apparently the author is very handsome!)
http://live4liverpool.com/2013/05/view-from-the-kop/a-unique-opportunity-fsg-must-take-advantage-of
I’m sure you are !
Haha!
Oh! And thankyou Jamie carragher you are legend!!!
Does taking the Swans to EPL considered achievement?
Yes
Why shouldn’t it??
I think the answer is not always black and white. Relative achievements? Please list BR relative achievements for me. He brought Swansea to the premier league.
List of managers who did the same.
Owen Coyle, Holloway, Phil Brown, Paul Lambert….how many of them do you want at LFC? Why is Rogers any different? I see him as a one season PL wonder. He played some passing football when Swansea were a novelty in the Premier league but as we all know, usually second season syndrome kicks in. I don’t think this is because players grow complacent, it is more to do with the managers getting found out. Let me clarify that he played some passing football, not Barcelona or Arsenal by any means. Just good enough to earn praise. Naming Ferguson in the same sentence is wrong in my opinion. Fergie took over a man u in the 19’th position after winning 3 games from their first 13…correct me if i am wrong. He had also achieved European success before joining. BR achieved nothing by comparison, apart from praise from the media, which i believe he is world class at handling.
We hired Rogers to improve our league position and push for top 4. Whilst it is unrealistic to ask 4’th in his first season, some improvement is needed for us to see. I need to see my club going in the right direction and i am sure we all do. Looking at his win ratio, is a miserable 46% with us. You have admitted in your article that his time with Watford and Reading were not good. I havent looked at them stats but i assume they are worse then 46%. Which brings me to my question. Why do you think he is good enough to manage our club? By his own admission, ”is been a learning curve,” he admits he is a novice.
This is a make or break season for us. It seems we are stuck with him. I just hope the transfer commission is up to scratch and can overrule his unhealthy obsession with players like Borrini, Allen, Siggursen, Williams….maybe part of his learning curve is that signing Swansea players wont fit at this club. We are not Swansea (no disrespect). If he has full control of the transfers we are cemented in mid table for the next 20 years or more.
PS, don’t get me started on his cheesy quotes such as ”when we have the football, everyone is a player,” so inspirational 🙂
Just one more thing, there are too many negative people on this site, for gods sake THINK POSITIVE, stop whining.
I agree! Most of the comments i’ve heard from LFC fans these days is how nothing’s good enough for them..manager,player. But let me tell you these so called fans don’t know the meaning of supporting a club you love and will never be happy coz they’re born that way. So, let’s not waste our valuable time trying to convince them. Let them whine…that’s all they know anyways YNWA
Ha ha ha ha ha . Two dreamers closing their eyes pretending everything is ok
You two losers go and bury your heads in the sand some more . Ha ha ha ha
An intelligent reply would be nice!!
Realist, do you know how the kop got its name?
Realist, you are a red niff!!
Realist I said you are a red niff
Thankyou dawnga, you are a true liverpool fan. God bless you.
Ha ha ha ha
Not only does this fool believe ‘we will be leading the way ‘ ha
He also believes in God. Just shows the lack of intelligence in some people
Realist, you are acting like the fool go tidy your room there’s a good boy!
You should run along and create some dummy accounts realist as its mighty possitive in here tonight and your gonna need help
Ha ha ha ha
Says the man who is idiotic enough to believe in god .probably believes in fairies and pixies at the end of his garden too
Realist, it’s your bed time, of you go there’s a good boy mummy will be up to read you a bed time story soon.
Ha ha ha ha ha
What a fool
Lets ‘be positive’…lets ‘have faith’
…ignore reality and Liverpool will win the league
Ha ha ha ha ha ha . Such a dreamer
Realist we know your game, go play on utd site will you!
We know your not a real fan just a young lad having a laugh , you don’t even know how the kop got its name! I bet you know the price of your favourite sweeties though!
Ha ha ha ha
Your such a dumb kid , asking questions on the internet when everyone can look up the answer if they needed . How stupid is that
And of course the usual ‘ your a utd fan’…ha ha ha ha
If you believe in god then you are of such low intellect . Ha ha ha .what a loser
Has the red niff realist gone
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
For every delusional religious lunatic like you , there is a realist to put you in your place
Go say a prayer , maybe you can make Liverpool win the champions league next season
Ha ha ha ha ha ha .
If you believe in god or not, if you ever find yourself clinging onto life, you will beg god to save you as will the people that care for you.
Think positive, when it suits. Supported Liverpool fc since first going to watch them win Everton to seal the Double in Kenny’s first season as player manager in 1986, this was a time when football was played for the love of the sport and not the money, just because some of the older fans, with a hell of a lot of knowledge about this club, question the manager after the worse season for decades, and failure to compete against the big teams, Does not make them lesser fans, we are just concerned about what is happening at our great club. You should stop with this whole super fan thing, you are no better just because you choose to hang off the managers every word and go on blind faith, because lets be honest here, this is blind faith, the man has not competed at the top level, he has nothing to show he can either. lets just see how next season goes. This is the thing, why gamble like this when we could have got a experienced manager(and yes, they are out there, even though FSG would prefer us fans to believe that a club such as us could not attract a top manager, which is BS).
Spot on. I have been a liverpool fan for 24 years, and I find blind faith in some sections infuriating. BR is a novice, this club is rebuilding. I don’t think BR is the right manager. I want the club to get back at the top level, where it belongs. Here is a stat, failed to win against the top 4. In fact 1 victory recorded against a team above us!!!! At anfield v spurs . Out of all competitions by January! To some fans he is the messiah….very strange.
Most managers that are good enough to get the job (premier league manager) are good enough. The critical thing is to be with the right club at the right time……
Like that!! Very true!
in other words, we have the wrong coach.
So far think BR is doing an OK job, season 2013/14 is going to be an important one for him and the club. The minimum expectation is a Europa League place, I think we are still way behind the usual suspects but we need to be challenging them consistently, and also against “inferior” and physical sides we need to show some mettle and not lose points as we seem to have done not just under Rodgers but Rafa, Kenny and Hodgson. Only time will tell.
I agree ! I think with so many changes it will take time, we will miss Jamie very much, his position must be as important to fill as any!
i think looking forward is the most important thing and due to his hard work I hope medals will come in row.
I agree if you are not going forward you are going backwards you can’t stand still we must look to the future, with the right people in place we will succeed .
Hello everyone!
Rodgers supporters, you so-called “true fans”, could you please look for some perspective?
Liverpool is one of the greatest football clubs in the world, 19 league titles, 5 European cups, finished 7th under Rodgers with no trophies won. That has to be a miserable season no matter how you look at things! – MANAGER’S FAULT
You will be quick to point out that the squad was young and thin – it was Rodgers who made it that way by sending players in loan and selling. About a dozen left last summer and only 3 came in. So squad’s being young and thin – MANAGER’S FAULT
Some would argue that he didn’t have a lot of money to spend due “overspending by previous regime”. Utter nonsense. King Kenny and Damien Commolli spent 35m net. BR spent 40+ mil net. Allen and Borini had miserable seasons, Sahin wasn’t used by manager and sent back, only Sturridge and Coutinho seem to be value for money. So, spending 40+ million and getting only two players who seem to be ok – MANAGER’S FAULT.
For the first half of the season defence was shambles. I couldn’t believe how bad they were. In the second part they were one of the best defences in the league. Why? Jamie Carragher. When he wasn’t picked – LFC struggled, statistics prove that. In “Carragher” documentary BR said that with Carra in starting XI Liverpool had 80% clean sheets in PL. So why the hell didn’t he pick him earlier? – MANAGER’S FAULT
I can go on forever about why he has to be sacked, but fortunately a lot of people think the same way. I only hope that he is sacked before he’s inflicted even more misery on this great club.
Excellent comment . Well said
Who would you choose to succeed Brendan?
Did you know it took John Barnes 3seasons before he hit form, you must give the manager and boring time.
Ha ha ha ha ha
What a stupid comment !
Do ypi know anything about football ?
John Barnes scored 17 goals in his first season and was player of the year
You are a joke. Get a clue
Just testing to see if you were still up realist
You haven’t a clue. Go preach your have faith nonsense to religious lunatics not football fans
Brendan will make mistakes, he’s only human, but he is still learning, we must look to the future you might not think he is the right man now, but I bet you will change your mind this time next year. Rome wasn’t built in a day!!!
Oh the stupid ‘rome wasn’t built in a day’ nonsense
Lets pray then and everything will be ok . Ha ha ha ha ha
Your idiotic john Barnes comment shows you have no idea what your talking about
‘Rome wasn’t built in a day’ isn’t nonsense, the idea of instantaneous success is. What did you honestly expect from last season?
Learning at lfc’s expense
Brendan! This comments are about you. Stop pretending to be Terry 🙂
It’s funny you mention perspective in one sentence and then in the next you slam Rodgers for the basics of last season. Last season has to be looked at in terms of perspective, any other way would be incredibly blinkered short,term approach. Was it a good season? Depends on how you choose to view. In your basic approach then no it’s not, purely as we didn’t win a trophy compared to last year. Likewise, taking a wider view would show encouraging signs. The club was always going to struggle after changing manager and styles of play, losing experience and rioting the finances in the way it was. This shows in the start we had, but look over the course of the season how we improved and ending up with the points total and goals scored total we did is a positive.
As I have said a few times, I’m not sure BR is solely responsible for transfer policy, to lay the issues we had last summer entirely at his door is wrong.
Again money spent isn’t entirely on BR for me, and anyways if you do e maths on net spend it is less than 40m, not that it should matter as long as the right players are bought and we can afford it. You rightly point out Sturbridge and borini as positives, but to slam Allen and borini is simply ridiculous. Both had hugely injury effected seasons, especially borini. How can you find any form with such breaks. To judge a player after a season like this is awful. Sahin and assaidi are odd ones, but does every transfer at every club work out like you thought? Of course not. But hey coutinho and Sturbridge are ‘ok’ by your reckoning!
Nice to see you using hindsight to slaughter a man. Why wasn’t Carra picked at the start of the season? Because Agger and Skrtel were first choice, as they were most of last year. BR made the change due to indifferent form from skrtel. Carra, at his age probably played more than event expected last year
‘Has to be sacked’? That’s an incredible statement. What this club needs is stability, not ANOTHER manager, bringing in ANOTHER style,of play and meaning we start AGAIN. Nobody is suggesting BR is perfect after a year, and would be foolish to do so, likewise it would be foolish to suggest he is rubbish. He did better in the league in his first year than any manager since Evans. At times we played tremendous football and scored a lot of goals, a lot of positives to be built on.
Well said tim. !
Please stop looking for excuses Tim. Your opinion is your own, some people agree, some don’t. The fact is all of the excuses you used will be forgotten in a year’s time, the worst start to a season in a century, miserable mid table season, finishing below Everton and wasted money will be remembered forever as they are FACTS.
LFC is not a club for ‘encouraging signs’, ‘work in progress’ type of things. Accepting them means accepting MEDIOCRITY. That’s why BR has to go. He doesn’t know better than mediocrity. And if you think that his only ‘achievement’ of bringing Championship side (the glorious feat achieved by 3 managers every season) into the Premier League is enough to have a shot at managing one of the biggest clubs in the world, then I have nothing to say to you..
P.S. Skrtel and Agger’s awful form was evident after the first game at West Brom. Remember the score?
I’m not looking for excuses Nicky I am presenting a different argument based on a wider perspective. Worst start is a fact yes, as is higher points total in a first year since Evans, swings and roundabouts. We can only judge BR on his time at the club in which he has shown clear improvement.! You can’t simply look at a league finish you absolutely have to assess all aspects to see why. Even if Rafa had come in instead do you think we would have had a drastically different season?
Reality is we have slipped a lot because of H&G which has meant we have had to start fresh. Recognising improvement is not accepting mediocrity in the slightest. The way the club finished the season was a vast improvement on how we ended last season and started this. Do you not think changing a manager agin at this point would set us back again??
You base form on 1 game??? This isn’t football manager, you can’t chop and change every single game
“This isn’t football manager”..lol..usual statement from somebody who is trying to kill he argument, superfan syndrome.
Fully agree with everything Nick cuzin said . Like him I am sick of the rubbish excuses I hear all the time. Rodgers has been an abject failure in every way and must go ASAP
unless Liverpool are taken over again by some Billionaire wanna be football manager like Roman chelski bloke then as a fan of the pool we are stuck with FSG which is no bad thing. I think we should have a little faith in the direction we are going with the American owners and Brendan Rogers. Most of the players at Liverpool at the time Rogers took over were over paid overrated and did not deserve to wear to red of the pool and maybe a couple of his signings have not quite gone to plan but what I can say is that when I have watched them play (allen,Boroni) they put on a red shirt they try and give there all unlike some of there predecessors. The legend who is Carragher had and great last season under Rogers But lets be honest and say Jamie was not on tip top form in the two seasons before Brendan took over and some of us thought his playing days were coming to an end well before Mr Rogers came to the club. BY the way we have halved the amount of money in wages payed to overrated players by selling them and replacing them with good incentive based wage rises for players who have came in on a lot lower wages and good sell on value if they do not work out after a couple of seasons not just there first injury hit season(Allen,Boroni) Yon never saw that Man u manager bloke sell a play after one average first season?
Are u for real ? Ferguson wouldn’t give players even half a season if they weren’t doing it. U obviously don’t know football if u think ferguson would give rubbish like allen n Borini more time
Off the top of my head I remember Veron , forlan ,kleberson, djemba djemba all dumped after one season . And the likes of obertan, taibi , bebe and bellion all dumped after a few games cos they were rubbish. So you are totally wrong.
How can you call Allen and borini rubbish??? Based on what? Their time in a red shirt have been fractured though injury, no time to find pen or anything. Out of the 2 Allen has shown what he can do in a red shirt at the start of the season where he was very good.
Nonsense. 40 apps 38 rubbish performances. Get a grip and quit the same silly excuse.
Adam H, who had 40 apps??? neither Allen nor Borini played 40 times.
together they played 40 times and according to you hada 2 good games? I think you are being a bit ridiculous with this. Borini for a start had a tough season with injury, missing the vast majority and never once getting a decent run of injury free games to find any form. Would you care to clarify why you dont rate him?
As for Allen he was easily our best player through August and the most of September but then struggled with form due to a shoulder problem which curtailed his season. If you wanted to have a rational beef with the Allen situation, then surely it is to question why BR kept picking him knowing that he required surgery.
I knew your were irrational and blinkered but I thought at least you knew facts. Allen played 37 times exactly and Borini 20. Thats 57 in total.
Allen was never good , about 2 or 3 decent performances , if you call a few interceptions and successful backward passes decent.
You obviously have very low standards to defend this utter rubbish thst plays for us. I can imagine you also coming out and pleading for patience and such for the likes of konchesky poulsen meijer dundee etc etc. Ur opinions are blinkered and pathetic. u have spent a whole year on this site making excuses for rubbish.
Allen borini and Rodgers fsg , all u do is make excuses , it’s repetitive and laughable
Adam h so good they named you twice!
So neither played 40+, and working from the LFC website Allen had 29 domestic appearances and borini had 14. I suppose if you add together that’s over 40 but why would you do that??
Borini had 2 big injuries last year, I would challenge any player to find decent form in such a disrupted season.
Allen was welsh player of these 2012 (got some competition there) and was voted our best player in August, so more than 2 good games. I’m not being irrational nor blinkered merely standing up for my point! I see you wheel out the ‘backward pass’ myth. Did you know that only 12% of his 90% completed passes were backwards?? Less than when he was at Swansea!
I don’t need to excuse anyone, I have a point of view I look to back up with opinion and fact where possible while shying away from insulting people!
Ignoring your insult I shall highlight the difference between Allen/borini and the likes of konchesky and Poulsen. The latter were brought in as established experience players to make an immediate impact, and did not suffer any real disruption or injury in their time here. They failed to produce from the get go, so no I wouldn’t have ‘defended them’ but I would certainly never boo or slag a player off.
Whether you believe I’m ‘blinkered’ or ‘pathetic’ you have taken time to read my piece and comment several times so thanks for that
Kop on really. U constantly nitpick silly stats. Allen played 37 apps and borini 20. Check it out . Wiki it if u have too. Maybe jus once u might come back and admits got it wrong.borini first 11 apps were free from any injury whatsoever and he was still sh it .
Nitpick silly stats? I’m not nitpicking anything I’m supporting m argument, shame you can’t come back to the points rationally.
If you read my response properly I said I got the figures from the Liverpool website.
What have I got wrong?? I have expressed an opinion that we shouldn’t be judging borini as ‘shit’ after 1 injury ravaged season . I’m not suggesting that he is rush incarnate, although you may see as useful reading the early years of Ian rush at Liverpool football club.
The figures were wrong as were u for using them. And so what Ian rush struggled in first year , that situation has nothing to do with anyone else’s. Kop on and stop making stupid comparisons .
Well said
Got to agree with you, sick of how “This manager” seems to be getting his excuses made “For him” by fans who have previously hung other ” proven” managers out to dry, for much less than a season of, not qualifying for Europe at all, out of the domestic cups so easily, turned over by the top sides(this never happens, even when we have had a bad season), some awful signing’s, strange “unnecessary” playing around with the ball along the back four n goal-keeper, Brendan constantly in the papers, one week saying we will finish 4th(then one win against an average side later) he is saying we will get 2nd,…..a few more defeats, and he moves the bar to 6th. he really is cause for concern. I just don’t have much excitement for a season where our best player is leaving and we are signing “Free transfers and under 21 internationals.
As a Liverpool Fan I am confident in Brendan Rogers as a manager I now look forward to watching every pool game(all compitions) with excitement and renewed confidence that we are in with a chance of winning or taking all 3 points from a game. I think there is a new buzz around the team and the club as a hole over the last year and that is down to Mr Rogers His Staff and how we now play football with a lot more style and end product which I know I like as a Fan and that has been missing for sometime now BUT if Mr Rogers like others before him cannot eradicate the problem of inconsistency which seems to be inherent of Liverpool teams of the last 10 years then I feel he may go the way of King Kenny. YNWA
Deep joy! Positive remarks Kevin that’s 2 of us now!
Liverpool Fans need to get behind the Manager and new and old players at the club and support the team stop dwelling on the past its over Football has moved on and if we don’t then we will get left behind. Optimism is better the Pessimism. YNWA
Well said
PESSIMISM IS BETTER THAN IGNORANCE
Realism is better than pessimism and optimism
BR has done nothing to deserve a prestigious job like Liverpools , and even less to keep it . Big mistake by FSG – needs to rectified quickly
Whether he deserved the job initially or not is another discussion. In what way is he not deserving of the job now?
Tim, maybe if fsg communicated their vision to the fans more clearly then you wouldn’t get such negativity!
You are sooooooo stupid. Their vision is to make money, only a total half-wit is not aware of this
care to share your thoughts behind this post? any justifications?
Spot on
Yes, it may sound wierd but the idea of FSG needs to talk and interact with fans is one way for improvement. Only then,they will know the fans point of view.
Good morning raam.
Tim, please, do not think of people who disagree with your opinion as of some inferior creatures. Your Football Manager comment was pretty pathetic.
Everyone could twist stats the way they want, it’s not too difficult. So be simpler. How many people want BR out of the door and how many want him to stay? Let’s say it’s 50-50 (although I can’t see so many people who are willing accept mediocrity under him anymore). For those who want him out it is as clear as a daylight, for those who trust in him it takes certain stats and ‘perspective’ to justify. As for other clubs’ fans, for them LFC is a laughing stock. Now think about it, manager who lost half of his fans in less than a year and made the club a laughing stock, how long should the board stick with him?
Nicky, what are you talking about?? Can you actually justify anything you are saying? You are pulling numbers out of a hat and using them as fact to support your argument. Lets not say it is 50-50 at all, unless you have constructed a meangingful poll of LFC fans and can back it up lets not give any number.
Im not sure where I referred to anyone as an inferior creature, but I stand by the football manager comment. If you chop and change large numbers of the team after every poor or indifferent performance you get no stability in the side. That opening day fixture was a team failing rather than just the centre backs. Again, looking at the bigger picture the confidence and form of the club post Carling Cup was horrible, add in to that the loss of a legend as well as the introduction of a new manager with radically different ideas to the last and it was always always going to be a bumpy ride. Im not excusing the result or performance but to suggest wholesale changes after 90 minutes of season is bonkers.
Lets indeed keep it simple, like it or loathe it BR is the manager. Without the blinkers, can you honestly say that in this last year Liverpool have not improved?
If BR was sacked tomorrow and say Rafa miraculously brought back do you think it would be an instant change?
Football has always been a gradual process, managers need time to implement change and install their ideas. It took rafa a number of years to mount a decent challenge on the league which should always be our bread and butter.
You really talk a load of self-rightous bull Tim. Total 100% deluded
you argue your point well there Tommy
I would say tim is talking sense!
Well all know by now you talk rubbish
Doom and gloom you need 5-htp
Without blinkers ? U never take them off. Liverpool have NOT improved at all. I don’t think u play with the full deck tim
Have they not? So the second half of the season not an improvement on the first??
Worst start to a season in 50 odd years yet the club ends with more points than last year and more points in a first season under any manager since Evans??
Oh the deck is full my friend, not sure you know the rules though!
Lost half his fans? Where did that come from.
Reality. Not from Liverpool , are you ?
Some of my friends are utd fans they show more respect to Brendan than some so called liverpool fans, they actually think we are improving!!
Utd fans like Rodgers you dope because he is makingus a laughing stock
You havent a clue about football
how many liverpool fans wld be sad to see tony pulis as the coach of man u? get a clue!
Try singing you’ll never walk alone rediscover the hope in your heart before you comment again!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
What a fool. This is the fool who thinks it took john Barnes 3 Years to get going
Ha ha ha ha
Lets all pray ? Shall we ? Then close our eyes and it will be ok ?
I see your up niff,
I think patience has always been key. seeking instant gratification costs hundreds of millions which even if I had, I’d be very careful with. I therefore applaud FSG for appointing a manager with a vision and rebuilding the club administration and player wise.
As for realist, I’ve never, ever, ever seen a sensible post by him so now I just ignore him.
Well said red fan,
nicky cuzin you can get 5-http from holland and Barrett.
Ha ha ha ha
Grow up you clown
Niff(realist) what is your solution then?
Same as you. Lets close our eyes to reality and pray
Ha ha ha ha
You are clueless about football and life
He calls himself “realist” ha ha
Yea i’m sure the realistic approach would be to throw money at the situation like h&g and almost bankrupt us again.
This guy is a complete tool, forever harping on about his wealth of football knowledge but never making a sensible comment.
I commend the fans on this site that get behind the team, as out of all the other sites i visit online this is by far the most negative
Realist my mum said you are a foolish young man and that I should prey for you!!
Ha ha ha ha
2 clowns . 2 uneducated fools. One thinks god can solve his problems for him
Both are sheep. They cant think for themselves they just follow blindly
Baaaaaa baaaaaa little sheep. Try independent thoughts some time
A manager with a vision? Relegation? I can bet you finishing 9th with a goal better than the number of goals we scored this year would be a great achievment to rodgers! nd he would paint it so good that some ignorant fans would believe him nd support him
But we didn’t finish ninth with 1 more goal so what are you chatting about???
Did you slate kd this much at the end of last season?? Or did you take others factors into account to justify 8th place?
Bang on the money Jon, the wider picture always has to be viewed!
Finishing 9th would be bad
If we finished 9th but 11first teamers broke their leg and we had to rely in academy, would it still be viewed as bad??
I would suggest with the apparent investment in the team, the improvement we saw as the season progressed last term that BR will be in trouble should we not improve, but as with all things in life you must take into account extenuating circumstances
Yawn. More idiotic excusess
Hahaha Dennis, it’s a hypothetical situation, how is it an excuse?
Sheesh
Extenuating circumstances??????…….hmmm…….didnt see G&H consider that when they forced rafa out, neither did fsg when they sacked kenny
Look, i wanted kenny to be a success as the guy is a legend but the reality is he was awful, his press interviews were cringeworthy and he was so out of touch with the modern game it was laughable. Any team can get to a cup final and even win it, just look at the teams to do so over the years.
League position is the measure of a team over the course of a season. The truth of the matter is rodgers achieved more than kenny with less resource. Ok allen and borini have started off slow but so have many great lfc players.
The signings that kenny made were from the north east or played for newcastle, the fact that he payed 35 mil for carrol says it all really. At least rodgers could see that carrol was a relic in the modern game shows me he is more clued up than kenny.
West ham can have him as he is slow and turns like a cruise ship no amount of time will change that.
Next season we will have a young, quick and technical team that will tear teams apart.
If shankly was about now you would think he was full of sh!t, but he had a plan of how he wanted us to play and he was confident he could achieve it.
The state your club is in?????? Where did you expect it to be after the court case? Click fingers and all th e trouble goes away?
I don’t think any of us knows the true extent of the damage that H&G did and how their mistakes still impact the club! Fans did not protest against H&G because if mediocrity but rather that they were DESTROYING the club.
I’m not claiming that FSG are perfect but they are seemingly stabilising the club and making it self sufficient, which is the first step in allowing for future fan ownership. Likewise I’m not claiming BR is the messiah, but the side has dramatically improved from league game 1 to league game 38 under his management and that is indisputable. What the club needs is stability not further disruption
Jon, I have read your comments and you seem to know what you are talking about, not every fan lives in liverpool so we don’t know the full story. We are not as knowledgeable as Liverpudlians ,but we love the club with passion, an earlier comment suggested half the fans have gone in liverpool is that true? Fans from around the world would like to know .
Its total bull mate, only a small faction of fans like realist have these views. All my mates see the work being done on and off the pitch but unfortunately you will never please some people as they want success and they want it yesterday.
Thankyou very much! People like realist do more harm to lfc long distance fan base than suarez biting, we shoul all read your comments and ignore realist, Kevin is well balanced as well. THANKYOU!
Ha ha ha
You 2 clowns really have your heads up your as ses. You think that if you are positive it will make everything ok.
We have serious problems at our club. We are at out lowest in over 60 years and ignorant fans like you would rather bury your head in the sand rather than face reality
I bet you fools like you were all ‘positive’ when Roy was boss , and Kenny . Were you right to be positive and delusional ? No
If you ever go to a game , talk to the people from Liverpool , see what they think. There are many smarter fans there than the clueless internet gang on the likes of here
Keep dreaming boys . You are sheep. Fsg say one thing and you follow. It’s no wonder Liverpool standards have dropped so much when so many fans are clueless sheep like you two
Terry . Your not knowledgeable AT ALL. the john Barnes comment proved that.
At last an actual sensible reply from realist! Your not totally out of your head like I am, I understand where you are coming from, but because of your attitude no-one takes you seriously, but now you have explained your view we will listen to you until you start being rude, if you can keep being rude you loose credibility, so lets start again, I acknowledge you know more than me and most fans around the world so we need to read yours and jobs views, John put his positive view very well, would you please explain yours fully and we will listen, as I see it Jon has a positive view but yours is different, us long distance fans only go by tv,newspapers etc you go to ANFIELD something we only dream of. I have made the pilgrimage once and it was amazing! I was at the ANFIELD road end and we beat chelsea 2.0. I bought loads of stuff from the shop,I saw a video of John Barnes in it he said it took him2-3years before he felt really good about himself and played his best football, if you still think I’m a loony then we will call it a day, please bear in mind this site is followed all over the world and a lot of shirt sales are on your input kind regards.
Realist I would suggest that in footballing terms bein dragged through the courts and not knowing what will happen to our club is by far the lowest point. But that’s just me……hey but lets risk going there again by flooding the club with toxic debts again so we can get the instant success you obviously crave.
Honestly Terry. I cant be bothered explaining my point of view 9 times out of 10 to people on this site , because ( no offense) most of them are deludes who ‘have faith’.
When you ‘have faith’ you are basically choosing to ignore reality . I do find most of the internet gang don’t have a good knowledge of the game or our club , and therefore I really can’t be bothered explaining properly.
Our club is being dragged backwards into mediocrity , the fans like yourself swallow the bull and are content ‘to support’ .
I care deeply about the state my club is in , and I am nit naive enough to think things are going to improve . The only way is for the fans to stand up together as we did against H&G and not accept this mediocrity.
We will never be a top side under Rodgers , the sooner fans like yourself wake up , the sooner we can get something done about it
Realist, it is fairly soft of you to slam anyone who doesn’t agree with you as deluded. Different people have different views and the wonderful thing about football is that people have different opinions and different views on what they consider is reality to them, I suggest none of us know enough to paint the truest picture.
So I set a challenge to you, you clearly disagree with me and have strong opinions, get them down in an 800 word article, email to the editor of this site and put your head above the parapet….
Tim fook off . You are a complete delude. I have no wish even to converse with a biased idiot like you.
Haha says it all Realist! Thought you would come back like that!
Kenny failed nd that is what it is. when you make silly excuses for the coach nd call it ???;???? circumstances it makes me angry.
I didn’t make an excuse for anyone if you actually read what I said!
I made a hypothetical scenario that could be use by any club designed to show that outside factors influence on field issues.
As babel would say ‘smh’
Realist it has just been explained to me you weren’t being rude it’s called a scouse sense of humour, I will try to get used to it. Haha from the delusional no nothing faithful liverpool fan!
Thankyou realist your comment is much appreciated . I will have to learn that what is put out by the club is not always the case, Liverpudlians see things as they really are! I must admit I see through rose tinted glasses, like a parent that doesn’t believe their kid smokes behind the bike shed until they see it for themselves. I trust your opinion as I am so far away like most fans, if you are right I and many friends will feel gutted, all we can do is read yours,jons, and Kevin’s comments and see who got it right, I would like all Liverpudlians to know we feel your pain. YNWA.
Fair play to you Terry. I will not be rude about any of your comments again even if they are overly optimistic. Others though are so narrow minded and biased , they deserve to be dismissed. Here’s hoping for better times ahead
My problem with your “hypothesis” is that in a way, it implies that rodgers is always right nd would always ve great excuses. all the same i love the work you are doing, trying ur best to be neutral so as to improve your pay.
Not at all, BR far from infallible and still a lot to prove, but it is crucial we see a bigger picture!
Thank you by the way
Tim, don’t feel like you know any less than local fans like me or realist. And when realist is rude to you its not because of his scouse sense of humour, its because he’s a pr1ck. He knows no more than anybody else just because he goes the game. He is no more privy to what goes on at lfc than a fan from china or india.
Liverpool fc cannot compete with man city, man utd or chelsea financially so no matter who is managing the club they will only be given the funds that the club can sustain. So other than getting rid of fsg and brassing ourselves off to a saudi billionaire we only have 1 option, to buy potential.
Realist is a fool that can’t grasp this, he will never take the time to explain his point as his whole argument is based on his negative opinion.
Ok we haven’t hit the heights of 2005 but that was a long time ago and lots of things have changed.
You cant just turn around a team that struggles with inconsistancy in 1 season, even kd couldn’t do that.
Tim your opinion is just as valued as the next mans don’t bow down to these negative fans that claim you don’t have a clue cos the truth is neither do they.
You REALLY don’t have a clue . You have absolutely no understanding of the game or our club. Bury your head in the sand some more.
I’m not worthy oh wise one. Ha ha what a nob you are. Terry has been following this club since 1966 he can remember when lfc conquered europe. Your just some muppet that thinks he knows it all. You probly wern’t even born then and if it wasn’t for lfc tv and wikipedia you wouldn’t know anything.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Little sheep Jon is still making up things about people he doesn’t have any information on. How braindead is that ?
Keep living in your fantasy world , your lack of intelligence makes your replies even more laughable
I do remember, 1977 1978 1981 1984 2005. Istanbul was awsome,
Blah blah your a sheep
Blah blah you have your head in the sand
Blah blah worst season in 60 years.
Change the record lad, how good would the atmosphere be at anfield of we were all as negative as you. Do you even cheer when we score?
Your probly one of those fans that leave with 30 mins to go when were 1 nil behind.
All this negativity is bad for your health you’ll get an ulser if you carry on like this
Ha ha ha . Showing your ignorance again
Why ido you think the atmosphere is so bad at anfield now ?? Because most fans have no faith in this clown Rodgers
Once again making presumptions about someone you dont know , ha ha how idiotic
To all the liverpool fans around the world welcome! I would like to explain that there is a lot of anger here at the moment, but don’t be afraid to comment. When I first commented I made a fool of myself. I have followed this club since 1966the year ENGLAND won the World Cup , my favourite player was roger hunt, I have been faithful ever since, as we all know the world is changing gone are the days when the local people followed their club it has been taken over by big business, every top team and possibly more to follow. The new owners of the top clubs do not have the teams in their hearts , but that is the world we live in. This club was built on honesty, and we were the best. Where are we now? Like most clubs owned by foreigners but we all are . Our clubs have been hijacked to make money for foreigners , there is not much we can do about it only Liverpudlians can make a difference and that is where the trouble lies they are decided in their opinions, the optimists and the pessimists or as one fan says realist, all have valid views. I am optimistic maybe because like you I rely on the media , I love this club so much I want it to succeed , you will never find a better club. Would my Liverpudlian fellow fans please not slag each other off but have a calm debate so we can see clearly where we are. I have read we will have 5-7 new signings this year how long will it take for them to gel? What is a realistic position for us to be in next may ? Have we really got the best people in the crucial jobs I think we have but I only read the papers! I saw a DVD by David icke who was labeled a lunatic now I’m not so sure! There is always two sides to every story. So I’m in the positive club but I will listen to other points of view. Come on you reds! And if you havnt been to liverpool put it on your bucket list. God bless my religious friends. I deal direct with the manufacturer.